61 Heoi, kīhai ia i kuihi, kāhore hoki he kupu i whaka­hokia e ia. Nā, ka ui anō te tino tohu­nga ka mea ki a ia, "Ko koe rānei a te Karaiti, te Tama a tērā e Whaka­pai­ngia nei?"

62 Ka mea a Īhu ki a ia, "Ko ahau ia, ā, tērā koutou e kite i te Tama a te tangata e noho ana i te ringa matau o te kaha, e haere mai ana me ngā kapua o te rangi."